Through The BulletHole

**crookedfeatures** · January 31st, 2005, 05:15 PM

strange edits? how so - do you mean the white flashes?

The glitch i was talking about is there seems a very long pause before the guy is pushed against the wall and the light goes down and then up again. That seems so obvious that I'm guessing it was a creative choice. it just looks odd. it's way too slow to be described as a flash.
also when it fades down to black and then up again on a couple of occassions it doesn't do it smoothly. As nobody else is commenting I suspect that may be my PC.

Quicktime. When will people learn?

someone else that feels the quicktime pain. My animation software needs quicktime 5 it will not work with any other version. which means to watch a MOV I need to upgrade [img]frown.gif[/img] and after I do that when I downgrade to 5 again the software still thinks 6 is installed. it looks like I need to rebuild. [img]frown.gif[/img] The only reason I could watch this at all is because I needed qt6 for something else so I was screwed again anyway. I HATE quicktime (but I hate real audio/video more). and WMV and DIVX compress better that QT anyway. /COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC RANT. sorry about that [img]smile.gif[/img]

**Bnew** · January 31st, 2005, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by jb.:
[QB]Well my person preference would be for .ram, or .wmv, but .avi, .mpeg, or anything except .mov is fine. I don't use quicktime at all

real player over quicktime?

out of .wmv, .ram and .mov I honestly think that quicktime files are the better format.

Quicktime is a decent format, native to avid/final cut (dunno bout other editing apps) so a natural choice, and the quality is good (compared to windows media and real player) for what you get. Real player on the other hand is complete arse in every way, and THE single most invasive, annoying piece of shit software ever written (and it was actually designed to be that way).

What features don't you like about quicktime? Perhaps I have a different version, but there is absolutely nothing annoying about it to me, it doesn't sit in the systray, it doesn't associate itself with all media files and maintain those associations, it allows you to uninstall easily etc (none of which can be said for real player), it doesn't have ads, not in the standard version anyways, I don't know if they do a free version (the regular version is easy enough to obtain anyways if you are so inclined).

Personally though, I think you can get the best results with divx/xvid encoded files, in either .avi (standard), .ogm (better audio quality) or .mkv (nice features but less popular/supported). To get decent quality in the other formats requires too large a file size.

[ January 31, 2005 02:01 PM: Message edited by: Bnew ]

**Bnew** · January 31st, 2005, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Kiff_Kroker:
My animation software needs quicktime 5 it will not work with any other version. which means to watch a MOV I need to upgrade [img]frown.gif[/img] and after I do that when I downgrade to 5 again the software still thinks 6 is installed.

Surely that's a problem with your animation software then if it only supports QT5, maybe you need to upgrade it?

p.s. about the film, I don't have much to add to what's already been said. I felt the start was awkward, the insert with the bullet in the head ruined what was otherwise an interesting intro, completely unnessecary and poorly implemented, looked forced.

Also I didn't get it, i understood that it was his house, but why did he say he killed them because they were 'goin at it like a bull in a china shop'?

I don't understand what the boy and girl were doing there, unless they were just intruders hanging out in his place. But then if that's the case, what about the guy he killed at the start? There's no explanation for that at all, so I assumed it was meant to show that he's a hitman (which I assume was your intention to mislead us into thinking that). Also what was with his dialect/mannerisms whatever, was it just an attempt to portray him as a big cuddly teddy bear and emphasise the fact that he's not a hitman, or is there some kind of joke I'm not getting.

Anyways sorry for hijacking the thread curtin, I liked some of the shots and the night scenes looked good, whatever format you choose though it doesn't matter a great deal just as long as it's not real!

[ January 31, 2005 02:18 PM: Message edited by: Bnew ]

**miker** · January 31st, 2005, 07:59 PM

Actually, now I see that The Exorcist is not wearing a trenchcoat like in your movie ;-)

It's only Windows users who have QuickTime problems and Peter Jackson used his iPod to cart off-line dailies of LOTR around so the choice of the discerniong creative professional must be okay. It's not us! It's them! Them I tell you! A million coke-heads can't be wrong (and you were wondering why Peter Jackson had lost weight)

;-)

Can't say I've used it myself, but there is a QuickTime alternative for Windows which uses ripped codecs or something. YMMV.

**jb_617** · January 31st, 2005, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Bnew:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Kiff_Kroker:
My animation software needs quicktime 5 it will not work with any other version. which means to watch a MOV I need to upgrade [img]frown.gif[/img] and after I do that when I downgrade to 5 again the software still thinks 6 is installed.

Surely that's a problem with your animation software then if it only supports QT5, maybe you need to upgrade it?<hr /></blockquote>If Kiff is running some of the more high-end professional animation apps then it really will matter. This is why I don't use Quicktime, it conflicts too much with 3D max and has a shitty native compressor when compared to something like DivX

Also, it's not a limitation of the software and you don't "upgrade" something like Max on a whim. There are solid technical reasons why QT is incompatible with it. Hence the phrase "Industry Standard"

...whatever format you choose though it doesn't matter a great deal just as long as it's not real!

What's wrong with Real? I really like it.

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I can feel a debate coming on.

[ January 31, 2005 08:06 PM: Message edited by: jb. ]

**jb_617** · February 1st, 2005, 12:15 AM

Finally got to watch it.

Very nice, smooth flow, nothing glaringly bad. I liked it.

Just one thing, you need to watch where you point the camera. There was some wicked streaking going on there. I think the front room would have been better lit with just the glow from an off camera light simulating a TV rather than the practical in the ceiling. But that was the only thing that wasn't too good. Everything else (except for the acting, but that's not really the point at this level), was very nice.

Keep up the good work.

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Everyone has an opinion these days.

**Bnew** · February 1st, 2005, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by jb.:
If Kiff is running some of the more high-end professional animation apps then it really will matter. This is why I don't use Quicktime, it conflicts too much with 3D max and has a shitty native compressor when compared to something like DivX

Also, it's not a limitation of the software and you don't "upgrade" something like Max on a whim. There are solid technical reasons why QT is incompatible with it. Hence the phrase "Industry Standard"

Fair enough, those are good points but...
compared to divx yes QT is shit, my point was that it's better than it's standard alternatives, .wmv and .ram.

I can fully appreciate you don't upgrade high-end apps on a whim due to the costs, but then you should also not complain about other apps updating making your out-of-date software incompatible with it.

3dsmax 6 was compatible with QT6, and 7 is the current version, so you must have a fairly old version, so it's no wonder it won't work with the latest version of QT, but that's not a fault of QT surely? QT is obviously important to those apps (maya, xsi, lightwave, combustion all support it, obviously the apple apps shake, motion etc do) otherwise they wouldn't bother including support for it in all their future versions...

Again, I can appreciate why it's not feasible to update 3dsmax or any other high end app, so why not just have a dual boot OS, so you can run QT5 with your apps, and then QT6 with your 'normal' stuff?

Originally posted by jb.:
What's wrong with Real? I really like it.

Read here for a summary of why real is shit, and also the 2 links at the bottom which are statements from people who work/worked for real.

Personally I will never let real touch my system again.

[ February 01, 2005 06:45 AM: Message edited by: Bnew ]

**curtinparloe** · February 2nd, 2005, 07:36 PM

I tried a reply yesterday, but my pc died when I clicked "Add Reply"...

Cheers again, chaps...

kiff - *ahem* well spotted. it was a lighting continuity mistake. We only had practicals to work with and one was turned off for some shots. The original plan was a punch first, but that was so dark as to be unusable. Dunno what the other problem is, perhaps divx'll fix it.

bnew - the 3 flashback inserts were a creative decision from the original draft, to show he is a killer, and also meant to cause some disorientation, I guess that bit worked too well.
The hints that they were intruders didn't work well enough; the tire iron, the inability to find the lightswitch, the odd reaction of the girl.
We did about a dozen takes of the phone call, and Neil did one "camp" take. It turned out that it was the one that demonstrated his ownership of the house most strongly (and whilst it sacrifices credibility, it stops it being too pretentious [img]wink.gif[/img] ). He adlibbed it, and he thought it was hilarious. But then, who knows what goes on in the minds of stand-up comics...

Miker - Oh, I see what you mean now! Ummm... yes, it was homage, and not subconscious rip-off [img]graemlins/sure.gif[/img]

jb - I actually noticed the streaks myself when I was in the edit suite yesterday, and now I see em all the time [img]mad.gif[/img]
I wanted the room brighter, but we had no stronger bulbs and no spare sockets (I've never seen so many xboxes in one room) so we were stuck with the dim practicals and a small maglite. As you can probably tell there's not much colour, as it was way too dark.

everyone - I hate Real too. It has invaded my PC, and I've had to set up two firewalls to stop it hogging bandwidth.

Incidentally, with your permission, I'd like to put some of the most fitting comments (the ones that entertained me most [img]biggrin.gif[/img] ) on the webpage: "nothing glaringly bad", "I liked some of the shots", "I kind of chuckled", "I thought it was ok but ultimately pointless", "a very good length" [img]wink.gif[/img] .

Actually, I might use that last one for something else entirely.

hehehe...

**jb_617** · February 2nd, 2005, 08:11 PM

Well Bnew,

I run Max 7 these days and am still unhappy with the file sizes that QT>MOV generates (almost twice the size of an identical render using DivX>AVI) and it artifacts up like a bastard.

I know a lot of people don't like Real, it seems to run much slower than other players. But I've never had a problem with it 'invading' my PC.

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Maybe I'm just lucky.

**untamed_aggression** · February 2nd, 2005, 10:11 PM

Personally, I love Quicktime. As far as I can see, it is the most popular encoding format in the industry. Every official site for a major release has trailers in Quicktime, very rarely do they offer alternatives.

I used to use Real to encode videos for my site, and it really sucked shit. Then I got my Mac, I now encode everything in .Mov.

Presntly downloading the flick... will give feedback when I've seen it [img]smile.gif[/img]

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